9/11 Cultwatch To Speak At Anarchist Studies Network Conference

[Mick]

This September Loughborough University hosts the Anarchist Studies Network conference.Â* Joining in the debates and discussions, to be held between Thursday 4th and Saturday 6th September, will be 9/11 Cultwatch’s Larry O’Hara and Paul Stott. Source http://www.paulstott.typepad.com/911cultwatch/ For more information visit http://www.anarchist-studies-network.org.uk/ # Since the 9/11 terrorist attacks in America, a worldwide movement has developed. Its activists run thousands [...]

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[maasanova]

The 9/11 movement is not an anarchist movement. This is pure propaganda. In America, we have the same kind of propaganda with a bill called the Violent Radicalisation and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act. The bill was a pathetic attempt by our Congress to try and link the 9/11 truth movement with radical Muslims and Neo Nazis.

I have a feeling that this Anarchist Studies Network will be a huge failure in the UK, much like the "thought-crime" bill failed in our Senate due to aggressive grassroots political activism. I have written fairly extensively on this and should you like more information on how we do things on our side of the pond, please have a look:

Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Act dead in the Senate

Violent Radicalisation and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act - Meet The Traitors Of America

Violent Radicalisation and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act

The Violent Radicalisation and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act To Target Critics Of Israel

[Mick]

Originally Posted by maasanova

The bill was a pathetic attempt by our Congress to try and link the 9/11 truth movement with radical Muslims and Neo Nazis.

I can only speak from my own personal experience with the UK truth movement, and yes, I have witnesses the blatant racism first hand.

I have seen how the UK truth movement will attack and smear people who do not agree with their views. Is this something that deserves my support? I don't think so. There's much more important things to worry about.

[Regina]

I wonder how many people on here and the main site actually read the article from some of the comments left.

The article doesn't say that the 9/11 Truth Movement is an anarchist group.

The article doesn't go into 'theories' or any other reasoning (either by official or 'truth movement' line) to what happened on 9/11.

The article is talking about the 9/11 truth movement as a whole - their conduct which shows strong similarities to those of a cult.

I wish people would read the article before jumping to the wrong conclusions.

I was once involved in the UK 9/11 truth movement and left due to rascism and bizarre theories. Can I see cultish behaviour in the UK movement? You bet!

[maasanova]

Originally Posted by Regina

I wonder how many people on here and the main site actually read the article from some of the comments left.

I read it. It's just propaganda to try to make this movement as a whole to be a bunch of strange and racist people. There are kooks and bigots that attach themselves to every movement. All book and speech tour's aim is to uphold the official 9/11 story, which is just a massive blame the Muslims campaign, which is about as racist as you can get.

Originally Posted by Regina

The article doesn't go into 'theories' or any other reasoning (either by official or 'truth movement' line) to what happened on 9/11.

The 9/11 ‘truth’ movement massively distracts from the issues facing all those struggling for a better world. Surely we need to criticise the US/UK governments for what they have actually done (bad enough) rather than imaginary crimes? By seeing all contemporary (and past) political events through their skewed view of 9/11, the ‘truth’ movement takes progressive forces down a cul-de-sac.

This is more or less upholding the 9/11 Commission's official story.

Originally Posted by Regina

The article doesn't say that the 9/11 Truth Movement is an anarchist group.

It might not say it exactly, but having this forum at an anarchist conference directly implies it: 9/11 truth activists are terrorists, anarchists and racists. There is no other way to look at this.

Originally Posted by Regina

I was once involved in the UK 9/11 truth movement and left due to rascism and bizarre theories. Can I see cultish behaviour in the UK movement? You bet!

I'd say there are quite a few racists in the UK overall, just like we have here in the US. Again, there are racists that attach themselves to every movement.

I'm not officially involved in any movement, but I do follow the movement and I frequently write about 9/11 and yes there are cult-like associations with the movement, but I would really like to know how these "Phd's" consider feeling that they have a corrupt government is somehow dangerous.

[Mick]

Nobody is saying every single person in the UK movement is racist, far from it. Put those leading the movement have done nothing to prevent it and in fact have publicly shown their support.

To be honest the issue of what happened on 9/11 is waste of time to me, people are still dying on a massive scale today and were dying on a massive scale each day before 9/11. Why isn't this important? Why is this ignored?

We have hard evidence of real crimes that we DO have the power to stop. Actual injustices, war crimes and crimes against humanity, the loss of civil liberties, there's a list as long as my arm that show the criminals for what they are, and this evidence cannot be debated, it cannot be debunked. You want change? Stop focusing on issues that will most likely be thrown out of court, should they ever get there.

[maasanova]

Originally Posted by editor

Nobody is saying every single person in the UK movement is racist, far from it. Put those leading the movement have done nothing to prevent it and in fact have publicly shown their support.

Which leaders of the movement might you be referring so that I might better inform myself?

Originally Posted by editor

To be honest the issue of what happened on 9/11 is waste of time to me, people are still dying on a massive scale today and were dying on a massive scale each day before 9/11. Why isn't this important? Why is this ignored?

It's quite simple. 9/11 was severely mishandled and taken advantage of by governments all over the globe. It's an issue of immense proportions that started two major wars of aggression (both were planned long before 9/11) and the ramification are still being felt by millions. It's an issue that has not properly been corrected nor even properly addressed.

Originally Posted by editor

We have hard evidence of real crimes that we DO have the power to stop. Actual injustices, war crimes and crimes against humanity, the loss of civil liberties, there's a list as long as my arm that show the criminals for what they are, and this evidence cannot be debated, it cannot be debunked. You want change?

I don't know if you realize this but most of these issues began with 9/11 and 7/7.

Originally Posted by editor

Stop focusing on issues that will most likely be thrown out of court, should they ever get there.

Well then let's inform 9/11 Cultwatch that their smear propaganda campaign is a huge waste of time as well as extremely defamatory.

[PaulStott]

The reality is that 9/11 Cultwatch has not been a waste of time.

We know that from the 9/11 truth activists we have spoken to who have real concerns about what is going on/has gone on in the 'truth' movement.

Politically the crucial thing to us is to criticise Bush/Blair/Brown for what they have done (which is bad enough) not what they have not done.

Chasing red herrings damages progressive politics.

[maasanova]

Originally Posted by PaulStott

The reality is that 9/11 Cultwatch has not been a waste of time.

We know that from the 9/11 truth activists we have spoken to who have real concerns about what is going on/has gone on in the 'truth' movement.

Politically the crucial thing to us is to criticise Bush/Blair/Brown for what they have done (which is bad enough) not what they have not done.

Chasing red herrings damages progressive politics.

Defaming UK activists for speaking their mind, as well as defaming US activists for excercising their constitutional rights will seem counter productive to many. Your group's energies, with it's resources and qualified staff, would be better suited exposing those you mention in this post (Bush, Blair, Brown ect) if that really is what your political motives are.

Good luck with your smear campaign, but expect many to see through this veneer.

[maasanova]

Originally Posted by Sammy

With respect to you Maasanova, have you seen the UK troofers in action?

They have a well deserved repuation of being racist, homophobic and highly aggressive. I'm sure you're aware of the 7/7 attacks in London, they harrased a survivor called Rachel North. They even harrased her family and work place. So much so that she threatened legal action against them.

Then we have Jon Ronson, who asked one question on their forum and was met with a barrage of insults because he is Jewish.

They have publicly attacked George Monbiot, a peace activist and journalist likewise with Nick Cohen.

They have attempted to derail StWC meetings.

They support and protect Holocaust denier Nick Kollerstrom who hit the headlines recently.

They have invaded football matches, what better way to ensure nobody respects your message? How depraved a publicity stunt.

They have even REQUESTED to be arrested just so they can film it for Youtube, while at the same time Brian Haw had been brutally beaten up by police for his peaceful protest. This was seen as nothing more than a distraction tactic by the majority of the British left.

Need I go on? I can you know, there's A LOT of despicable behaviour from these so called truth seekers.

If anything these people have destroyed any credibility the truth movement once had.

You will notice that not one of them will attempt to defend their actions here, because they cannot. They know what they have done.

I wasn't aware of that, but like I said, there are kooks that attach themselves to every movement. And for every one kook you have in the 9/11 movement, you'll probably have 100 rational non-violent people.

My point is that it seems rather counter-productive to get a traveling smear campaign going for a movement that overall is not about violence, harrassment and racism. And let's be honest, this 9/11 Cultwatch is more about upholding the official story of 9/11 than anything else.