Gaza victims describe human shield use

Jan 29, 2009:"'Members of a Gaza family whose farm was turned into a "fortress" by Hamas fighters have reported that they were helpless to stop Hamas from using them as human shields.

They told the official Palestinian Authority daily newspaper that for years Hamas had used their property and homes as military installations from which the group would launch rockets into Israel, dig tunnels and store arms. According to the victims, those who tried to object were shot in the legs by Hamas operatives."

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Jan 29, 2009:"'Members of a Gaza family whose farm was turned into a "fortress" by Hamas fighters have reported that they were helpless to stop Hamas from using them as human shields.

They told the official Palestinian Authority daily newspaper that for years Hamas had used their property and homes as military installations from which the group would launch rockets into Israel, dig tunnels and store arms. According to the victims, those who tried to object were shot in the legs by Hamas operatives."

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull

Oh right, and why should we believe anything that comes from the Jerusalem Post? nice try, now Fuck Off!

Excerpts from a speech by Hamas MP Fathi Hammad, broadcast on Al-Aqsa TV on February 29, 2008:
Fathi Hammad: [The enemies of Allah] do not know that the Palestinian people has developed its [methods] of death and death-seeking. For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children. This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: "We desire death like you desire life." (THIS IS THE MOST MORALLY BANKRUPT STATEMENT I HAVE EVER HEARD!!)

There is a video on this forum you might have missed i will see if I can find it.

ah here it is.
Gaza unseen, and by the way Israelis do not desire life, they just desire more land and more land and then some.

But I doubt you will watch this video of squashed babies.

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v17312141...Ej?confirmed=1

Click the link, you can even see a photo.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/3650791.stm

Israeli human rights activists have accused border police of using a 13-year-old Palestinian as a human shield.

Rabbis for Human Rights say that Mohammed Badwan was tied by police to a jeep during a recent demonstration in the West Bank village of Bidou.

The police apparently hoped this would stop Palestinians from throwing stones during a protest against Israel's West Bank barrier.

Israel's Supreme Court banned the use of human shields in 2002.

Rabbis for Human Rights also say that the boy was beaten by Israeli police before being arrested.

Israeli police spokesman Gil Kleiman said: "It's unclear what happened, we do not expose civilians to physical damage willingly."

The case is to be investigated by the Israeli Justice Ministry.

'Scared'

Mohammed later told the Reuters news agency: "I was scared when they got me at first, I thought they would put me in prison. I was scared a stone would hit me."

Mohammed's father, Saeed, said: "When I saw him on the hood of the jeep, my whole mind went crazy - he was shivering from fear."

Rabbis for Human Rights director Rabbi Arik Ascherman was detained by police when he tried to intervene to help Mohammed.

"It is very sad to see that we have come to this position. There is disbelief," Rabbi Ascherman said.

'Excessive Force'

Palestinian activists in Bidou, a focal point of recent protests against the West Bank barrier, say that the Israeli authorities are increasingly using excessive force to disperse stone throwers.

Medics say four Palestinians have been shot dead this year during violent clashes at protests against the barrier.

Israeli officials say the barrier is necessary to prevent suicide bombings iniside Israel, while Palestinians say the barrier is in reality a land-grab intended to annex West Bank territory occupied by Israel since 1967.

Shot

The use of human shields was banned after an incident in which soldiers forced the neighbour of a suspected militant to knock on his door and deliver their demands. The militant shot and killed the man.

Marwan Dalal, of Israeli Arab rights organisation Adalah, said there was evidence that despite the Supreme Court ban, the use of human shields by Israeli security forces was continuing.

He it said it was more common for soldiers to use Palestinians as human shield during military operations rather than against stone throwers.

You've posted this exact same thing on the thread 'Israel fires into Lebanon after rockets' thread. Tell us are you part of the 'army of bloggers'? (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1056648.html)

Here's is my response that I put on the other thread to you, I'd be interested to hear your comments (here or there). If my arguments are too difficult for you then you might have to ask someone for help: -

Given that they are essentially unarmed (in comparison to Israel), have no army, navy, or air force couldn't you see how they would try and make themselves out to be these inhumane death seeking lunatics. I mean I'd tell you I was a martian if it meant you would think twice about rolling down my street in a tank.

Do you really think that these people want to die? Can't you see how they are trying to polarize us? The people who influence our thinking are trying to make them different to us, but they bleed like us, they cry when their friends and family die, they want to bring up families and be happy. You can carry on thinking Arabs are crazy if you like but you are only doing what you are told. There is an agenda at work here, look at oil, look at gas and gas pipelines.

Look at who makes money from all of this suffering. Look for the speech of Eisenhower on the military industrial complex, he could see the problems back in the early 60's. Don't take things at face value, think for yourself, try and find out about the origins of the problems. Look deeper than the mainstream media and FFS don't listen to KOTW, he'll have a white bedsheet and a hood on you before you can blink your eyes.

Have a look at how Iran became the Islamic state. Search for info on Mossadeq and how he wanted to nationalise the oil industry in Iran, have a look in to how he got ousted. Have a look at who the Shah of Iran was friends with, have a look at how he treated people during his regime and this will lead you nicely to the 1979 revolution. It's ironic how the US are supposedly spreading democracy in the ME! By getting rid of a democratically elected leader and installing a tyrant?

Have a look for a picture of Donald Rumsfeld shaking the hand of Saddam Hussein when he visited Iraq at around the same time Saddam was gassing the Kurds. Then try and find out where he got the chemicals to make the gas from (I'll give you a big clue, Donald Rumsfeld lives there). How can the US then turn around and use the 'he gases his own people' comment to justify war? Really the comment should have been 'he gases his own people and he's not doing as we tell him to anymore'. Can't you see the duplicity?

Have a look at what has been said about the elections in Palestine that Hamas won (UN observed no less). Have a look around for Hamas' offer to recognise Israel and its right to exist (along with many other Arab states). Have a look and see who originally funded Hamas (as a counterbalance to the PLO, divide and conquer).

As for the idiot saying they seek death, I can quote you rabbis on the other side who think all Palestinians should be wiped out. Isn't that equally offensive and 'morally bankrupt'? Have a look see what some of the leaders of Israel and other prominent Zionists have said about Palestine and Palestinians here -> http://www.monabaker.com/quotes.htm

Alternatively don't look at any of this and keep on trucking.

If we can take religion out of the equation it becomes a simple fact that one lot of people stole the land of another lot of people and they would like some of it back. Doesn't sound quite so unreasonable in that frame of reference does it?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...o-1520420.html

Here's one from the BBC (and please don't claim pro-Palestinian bias after they turned down the DEC appeal!) -> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/3650791.stm

"Given that they are essentially unarmed (in comparison to Israel), have no army, navy, or air force couldn't you see how they would try and make themselves out to be these inhumane death seeking lunatics."

How many rockets have been fired into Israel? How many suicide bombers were sent to Israel? You make no sense at all. If someone is firing randomly into a crowd of people, do you expect police to only send in one man and one gun?

Hamas is a terrorist organization. Do you get that? The EU does. The US does.

Perhaps you have been sucked in by the 'CNN Strategy' that Hamas brags about using. Hamas uses Palestinian children as Human Shields, suicide bombers and propaganda.

"As Israel persists in its military efforts -- by ground, air and sea -- to protect its citizens from deadly Hamas rockets, and as protests against Israel increase around the world, the success of the abominable Hamas double war crime strategy becomes evident. The strategy is as simple as it is cynical: Provoke Israel by playing Russian roulette with its children, firing rockets at kindergartens, playgrounds and hospitals; hide behind its own civilians when firing at Israeli civilians; refuse to build bunkers for its own civilians; have TV cameras ready to transmit every image of dead Palestinians, especially children; exaggerate the number of civilians killed by including as "children" Hamas fighters who are 16 or 17 years old and as "women," female terrorists.

Hamas itself has a name for this. They call it "the CNN strategy."

According to the Coalition to Stop the Use of Child Soldiers "2004 Global Report on the Use of Child Soldiers", there were at least nine documented suicide attacks involving Palestinian children between October 2000 and March 2004.

According to the Palestinian Human Rights Monitoring Group, in the al-Aqsa Intifada, Palestinian military folk have used children as "messengers and couriers, and in some cases as fighters and suicide bombers in attacks on Israeli soldiers and civilians.

The issue was first brought to world attention after a widely televised incident in which a mentally handicapped Palestinian teenager, Hussam Abdo, was disarmed at an Israeli checkpoint.

Hamas’s Al-Aqsa TV called upon children to form a human shield at the home of Abu al-Hatal of the a-Shouqaf quarter of Sajaiyeh in order to protect the building from an anticipated IDF airstrike.

Gazan women were used as human shields to allow besieged Hamas gunmen to flee from Israeli forces in Beit Hanun.

The IAF warned Muhammad Weil Baroud, responsible for firing Kassam rockets at Israel, to evacuate his home in Beit Lahiya in advance of an air strike. Instead, hundreds of locals, mostly women and children, were recruited to Baroud's house. Israel suspended the air strike, lest these human shields be harmed. In response to the incident, Hamas crowed: "We won. From now on we will form human chains around every house threatened with demolition."

From the Hamas Charter:

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).

"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

You're as easy to spot as a fox in a chicken coop.

How many rockets have been fired into Israel? How many suicide bombers were sent to Israel? You make no sense at all. If someone is firing randomly into a crowd of people, do you expect police to only send in one man and one gun?

Lots of rockets have been fired in to Israel, most of them do no damage as they have no guidance system. It's like trying to throw a rock at some bottles half a mile away, most of the time you will miss. If these rockets were such a threat then please explain how they've only managed to kill 20 people in 7 years, that's not even as dangerous as crossing the road in Tel Aviv on a holiday weekend!

How many suicide bombers have been sent to Israel? Define a timeframe, being as we are talking about Hamas let's look at since they took power in Gaza. The answer would be none becuase they outlawed them. In a wider timeframe you have to look at why someone would do this, if you're going to tell me it's becuase they're crazy Arabs that isn't going to wash with me.

The one man one gun argument is a standard ploy. Unfortunately it doesn't work when you look at the 4th Geneva Convention which says: -

The Geneva Conventions and Additional Protocols stipulate that civilians may never be targeted for attack; attacks may only be directed against specific military objectives. In directing attacks against military objectives, the law requires precautions to be taken to ensure that civilians are protected against the effects of the attacks. If an attack against a military target is expected to result in civilian harm despite precautionary measures, the attack must be cancelled if the incidental harm caused to civilians or civilian objects would be disproportional (excessive) to the direct military advantage anticipated.

This is something Israel cleartly is in breach of and it is a WAR CRIME. Don't you get that because I DO!

Hamas are the elected representatives of the Palestinian people. The election was overseen by the UN and was described as the freest and most open election to have taken place in the ME. What right do the EU, Israel and the US to try and take away the democracy that has been offered to the Palestinians (or is it only allowed if you vote for people that they like, strange definition of democracy!). Israel wants to keep Abbas because he is a dead duck, they don't want a strong Palestinian leadership because that would threaten their ability to steal more land and keep all of what they've stolen so far (with illegal settlements and a circuitous route for their apartheid wall. Let's not even mention '48 and '67 eh?).

The bollocks you put next is almost farcical it is a prime example of Orwellian doublespeak. Hamas do not provoke Israel, they send off what are essentialy useless rockets, that mostly don't hit anything and when they do they have negligible impact. These rockets are more of a symbol than a threat, of a people who are being ethnically cleansed, killed, tortured, starved, imprisoned, degraded, displaced and more. Give me a clue what we are supposed to make of this -> http://uk.reuters.com/article/usTopN...50T42N20090130

The thing about the Hamas propaganda machine is more lunacy (I don't know whether you believe this crap or are just not prepared to see any wrong in Israel). I don't get my news from CNN or FOX or the BBC, I seek it out myself online and try an corroborate any sources I find. The reporting of the Palestine issue is so biased to Israel and anyone with open eyes can see it. The BBC for instance is regularly accused of pro-Palestinian bias but this is absolutely ludicrous (as backed up by independent studies!). Hamas have no GIYUS, Hamas have no megaphone desktop alert to drag shills to blogs to fight Palestines cause. Hamas don't have Mark Thompson at the BBC or Murdoch at Sky/Fox to fight their corner for them. What they do have is truth to use against power!

As for exagerrating the number of civilian deaths, did that happen at Qana, or Sabra-Shatila, or Deir Yassin? You make yourself look really callous and heartless in your last post. Their is not one ounce of empathy or sympathy with what are fellow human beings. You betray your heart.

Human shields? What you mean like this? -> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...o-1520420.html

or this? -> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/3650791.stm

or this? ->

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rXq57XK2L0A

If you believe this crap you've written you really need to open your eyes